“After the bill was introduced, I received a text message from Pastor Lee Sang-min to pray for rescue from the devil”

Democratic Party lawmaker Lee Sang-min has an interview with the Hankyoreh at the National Assembly Hall on the afternoon of the 3rd. Senior Correspondent Kim Kyung-ho [email protected]

Lee Sang-min, a member of the Democratic Party of Korea, is a politician with a formidable history who only served five terms only in the minority within the party. He is self-confident of the Democratic Party’s ‘Mr. Although it was initially classified as an inscription, it is impossible to avoid his bitterness because it is called ‘Lee Jae-myung-gye’, which has now become the mainstream of the party. Democratic presidential candidate Lee Jae-myung said, “I will make Lee Jae-myung a Democratic Party.” He said, “I was terrified. It is dangerous.” Representative Song Young-gil defended that candidate Lee’s ‘four criminal offenses’ occurred during public interest activities, but he had to be told that “it is troublesome to see him blindly obeying and protecting the future power.” The gaze of the insider of the camp looking at him holding a stick for the Democratic Party is often cold. Some supporters of the strong Democratic Party detonate text bombs saying that he is a ‘watermelon’ with a different exterior and interior. But why doesn’t he stop criticizing internally? He said, “Any organization that has only one color remains, and if it is transformed into a sanctuary without disagreement, it will inevitably come out of the two sides,” he said. Another example of his ‘consciousness of calling’ is the representative initiative of the Equality Act (Anti-Discrimination Act). It’s something I don’t want to go out of my way for fear of being caught in the conservative Christian world, but I’m far from the gunman. He said, “Last April, when I received an offer from the representative, I thought for a second or two about what to make an excuse for, and then I thought that I would be cowardly if I didn’t take it. I wondered what are you going to do in politics for, if you give excuses to things you think are right as five-term lawmakers each,” he recalled. In order not to be cowardly, I met him at the National Assembly Hall on the 3rd, who does not hesitate to push for legislation that many Democratic lawmakers are reluctant to. He chose ‘Go to Hoshi’ as his New Year’s resolution this year, the year of the zodiac. It means to see as sharply as a tiger and move forward without wavering like an ox. Before talking about the equality law, which he selected as the number one task for the National Assembly this year, the interview began by pointing out the direction of the people’s sentiments in the year of the presidential election. ―How did you see the trend of public opinion in the New Year’s poll? “A slight rise in Lee Jae-myung, a sharp decline in Yoon Seok-yeol, and Ahn Cheol-soo’s partial injury are particularly noteworthy. Candidate Yoon’s sharp decline is the result of a futile effort that cannot be considered as a single factor. Despite his many shortcomings, this candidate seems to have gained some extra points by showing an attitude to do something with policy.” ―A golden cross or a dead cross? “Since Candidate Yoon sits down on his own, the dead cross aspect is bigger.” ―What is the biggest thing that candidacy Yoon has? “It’s mine. The party leader ran out, twice. Also, the candidates are not showing the leadership they are trying to fix. Like a broken watch, the mainspring has just been twisted and he doesn’t know what to do. People will think, ‘If you leave it to them, they will fight back and forth, but it is difficult to entrust the government.’ ―How do you view Kim Gun-hee’s ‘false history’ suspicion and apology? “Under the current law, there is room for crime, and it is not the nature to end with an apology. Even the apology is not clear what he did wrong, and he seems to be thinking, ‘What did I do wrong?’ It is contrary to the public perception.” ―How will it affect the ‘fairness and common sense’ that Candidate Yoon has advocated? “In his problems, he goes back and forth like a willow puppy. It seems abstract only to others, and he is very tolerant of himself and his family. ‘What is the standard you spoke of and what is the fairness you said?’ It is not easy to recover.” ―As a result, Candidate Yoon’s remarks became very harsh. “I don’t know if he was trying to restore support in line with the taste of strong party members, but in the eyes of the people, he just looks impatient and has lost his composure. It is the basic virtue of a leader to maintain composure even in a crisis situation, and he made remarks that went beyond the limits of a ‘definite felony’ to a competing candidate. Seeing that even the principle of presumption of innocence under the Constitution is completely ignored, it makes me think that I have gone as far as I can.” ―Does this raise questions about the qualifications of a national leader? “For a military commander who commands 600,000 troops, composure is a basic virtue. This time, people can’t help but think, ‘Lee Jae-myung is anxious, but this person is more anxious’.” – Kim Jong-in, chairman of the People’s Power General Election Countermeasures Committee, suggested a complete reorganization of the election committee as a solution. “The ‘Yunhak-kwan’ and everything like that is a battle for internal power. People are not interested We need a fundamental reflection on why we are trying to seize power. He said that the government should be changed with only ‘anti-Moon sentiment’, but it is too shallow in light of the responsibility to run the government for the next five years. The bare face of that fight is also rude and absurd. They are engaged in a power struggle without even making proper promises.”

Democratic Party lawmaker Lee Sang-min has an interview with the Hankyoreh at the National Assembly Hall on the afternoon of the 3rd. Senior Correspondent Kim Kyung-ho jijae@hani.co.kr

Democratic Party lawmaker Lee Sang-min has an interview with the Hankyoreh at the National Assembly Hall on the afternoon of the 3rd. Senior Correspondent Kim Kyung-ho [email protected]

―The Democratic Party and Candidate Lee Jae-myung are talking about refraining from negatives, how do you rate them? “Of course it should be. As the first party with 170 seats, we need to step forward with more dignity and courage. We will lead the civilized and historical phases of Korean society, and in the dimension of demonstrating this kind of leadership, we must bear with the negatives to the extent possible.” ―Are there any passages where you think the Democratic Party has deviated a bit from that point of view? “Kim Gun-hee’s plastic surgery problem is something like this. Individual personnel have done so.” ―Are there any points worth pointing out from Candidate Jae-myung Lee’s recent actions or remarks? “Some policies have been like this and that, but these days, it seems to be a lot of self-respect.” ―Controversy arose over ‘change words’ over some policies. “I was hoping for a debate for and against basic income. However, the discussion did not work properly, saying that this candidate was ‘not a representative promise’. In any case, the candidate should not show such an unprincipled resignation. The middle and deferral of capital gains tax for multi-homeowners is an issue that has already been settled by the Moon Jae-in administration and the party, but there is also a risk that the market will fluctuate as they say that we should defer the income tax for one year at an imminent time. This should be avoided.” ―Are there any positive aspects? “Before the election, and because the real estate-related policy that the Moon Jae-in government has been criticized the most, I think it is desirable to try to alleviate the worsening public sentiment. It is necessary to show the concerns about the real estate policy, which is now the object of the public’s resentment.” ―Anyway, do you think there is some political effect? “If you become candidate Jae-myung Lee, there is a part that raises expectations like ‘the tax burden will be a little less’. I think that people who are not subject to heavy taxation also have an image like, ‘Unlike Moon Jae-in, Lee Jae-myung doesn’t say that he’s going to be taxed.’ Of course, candidate Yoon Seok-yeol is said to lower taxes even more. However, considering the possibility of winning, you may think that this is better.” -You have recently criticized Party Chairman Song Young-gil several times. “As the party leader, it’s good to have a strong party candidate, but he pointed out that the absurd ‘four criminal offenses’ are for the public interest, tell him to read a book about Lee Jae-myung, or show undemocratic behavior.” -Is it an anachronism? “It backfires. I also found out that this candidate was a ‘four criminals with a criminal record’ after hearing the words of CEO Song. I apologized, but why bring it up and remind me?” ―Is there anything else this candidate or the Democratic Party is missing? “In this difficult time of Corona, we need to show leadership that offers hope for a brighter future. Like Winston Churchill in WWII or Franklin Roosevelt in the Great Depression.” – How do you rate the Moon Jae-in government? “I have set up a lot of discourses and agendas related to the direction Korea should go in the future. However, leadership in communication was very lacking. Communication should be two-way, not one-sided. Communication with opponents is especially important. You can’t persuade the other party’s belief system by meeting with the People’s Power or Justice Party lawmakers anyway, so you can say, ‘Whatever you want, I’ll do that. You have to make a deal, help me with what I want.” ―This is what you can see in American political dramas. “Our politicians especially need the political power and wisdom to change something like ‘3 to 7’ this time, but next time to ‘7 to 3’ rather than completely changing something. To do that, we need to change the Korean political structure.” – How do you think it should be changed? “There are two. First, we need to change a system in which neither the president nor the members of the National Assembly take any responsibility to a system in which they are responsible. To this end, ‘direct democracy’ needs to be strengthened so that the will of the people is directly communicated. Although the representative system is a principle, systems such as ‘dissolution of the National Assembly’ and ‘people’s initiative’ must be put into operation. It is a measure such as obliging a certain number of citizens to hand over a certain bill to the National Assembly, and if it is not deliberated within a set period, it will be transferred to the plenary session for processing. For example, in the case of the current equality law, the National Assembly does not discuss it at all. Another is to ensure that the sovereign has the power to change elected offices even during their tenure. Of course, it is difficult to replace even the president by means other than impeachment, so there may be a way to elect and replace the prime minister in the parliament while reducing the power of the president. The electoral system also needs to ensure a linkage-type proportional system so that a coalition government based on a multi-party system is possible.” – There are many similarities to the ‘Vision for Political Reform’ announced by the Justice Party presidential candidate Shim Sang-jung on the 3rd. “In the political realm, this idea has been a universal problem for a long time.”

Democratic Party lawmaker Lee Sang-min has an interview with the Hankyoreh at the National Assembly Hall on the afternoon of the 3rd. Senior Correspondent Kim Kyung-ho jijae@hani.co.kr

Democratic Party lawmaker Lee Sang-min has an interview with the Hankyoreh at the National Assembly Hall on the afternoon of the 3rd. Senior Correspondent Kim Kyung-ho [email protected]

―As the 20th National Assembly Judicial Reform Special Committee Chairman, he is one of the leading figures in the launch of the High-ranking Public Officials Crime Investigation Agency (PRA). “I have been hearing that the Air Airborne Service is incompetent when it comes to smart surveillance and accountability of high-ranking officials. Moreover, it is deplorable to have responded to this communication data inquiry in such a way that ‘there are more prosecutors and police, but why are we the only ones talking’. It is a question that should be said, ‘I will reflect on and improve the part where I failed to make an effort to break away from it because I was so immersed in the practice of investigation.'” ―There are many assertions that the communication inquiry itself is not a temple or illegal. “Article 83 (3) of the Telecommunications Business Act stipulates that an investigative agency may request a telecommunication service provider to inquire about communication, and the telecommunication service provider may provide it. On the basis of this, they say that it is not illegal, but formally it is correct. However, in view of the basic spirit of the Constitution, in order to be granted legitimacy with respect to individual basic rights, the person’s consent or legal basis must be obtained, and legal requirements must be met. And according to the procedural norm of warrantism, the principle of excessive prohibition or proportionality must be applied. It is not a matter to be tolerated on the basis of just one provision.” ―Are there any moves to meet such procedural requirements? “At the last parliamentary session, floor leader Yun Ho-jung said that we would push for the improvement legislation. However, the legislative task should be pursued as it is, but what should be said about the airlift, it would be wrong to defend it unconditionally by saying that it is ‘legal’.” ―Isn’t the people’s power just blatantly calling it an ‘illegal temple’ while keeping an eye on system improvement? “Even if it’s not me, I’m making a lot of comments about him.” – What do you think about the alliance with the Open Democratic Party? “There is still the process of party membership in our party, but I think it will happen. Personally, it’s the opposite.” -What is the reason for the opposition? “At the beginning, we said that we were reforming the electoral system by adopting a quasi-interlocking proportional representation system, but in reality, didn’t both sides set up satellite parties? Isn’t it just worthy of the election without the process of covering up the strife and thinking about how to improve it?” ―Anyway, if it is reasonable, will the ‘restriction of exceeding the three lines’ clause proposed by the Open Democratic Party as a condition of validity also work? “It is now necessary to change the National Assembly law or party regulations. Personally, I think that provision is also absurd. Politics is also a field of expertise, and the elders’ office must work together. Cutting it into three lines is too contrived. It is a caricature of politics by riding on ‘political mistrust’.” ―Last June, under the name of the ‘Equality Act’, the ‘Anti-Discrimination Act’ was proposed as a representative. Why do we need this law? “The realities of discrimination, hatred, and even hostility or inequality lie everywhere. This law can be a starting point for improving this. This is because, for members of society, it is an opportunity to reflect on whether my actions are actions that cause discrimination, hatred or inequality, and when they accumulate, they can become the energy of social and cultural movements.” ―Why hasn’t the legislation been enacted 14 years after it was proposed? “Some religious circles are propagating fear with absurd words, such as homosexuality and exposure to disease if this law is passed over opposition. There is a monster behind the black curtain. Actually, there is nothing behind it. So what’s the way? We have no choice but to roll down the expansion curtain. So we have to show that it is an unfounded fear.” – Was there any persecution after the bill was introduced? “Not long ago, I received a text message from a pastor saying, ‘These days, pastors across the country are praying for Rep. Lee Sang-min to be rescued from the devil.’ I replied ‘Pastor, somehow I don’t see any demons around me these days. thank you.’ haha.” – What is the position of Candidate Jae-myung Lee? “At first, they said, ‘We need a social consensus,’ but now they say, ‘It’s time to discuss.’” – The National Assembly is not progressing much either. “Today, I met with lawmakers Park Min-min and Kwon In-sook, who proposed an anti-discrimination bill separate from me in our party. The Legislative and Judiciary Committee shared the opinion that a public hearing should be held as soon as possible. Currently, no report has been published, except for a bill proposed by Justice Party lawmaker Jang Hye-young. We have to go through this process quickly.” ―It is an election season, so this is a task the party leadership wants to avoid. “The more you do, the more you have to face this with boldness. Because of this, people die and many victims complain of injustice. European ambassadors to Korea wonder why a country like Korea doesn’t allow it to pass. It is the barometer of a civilized nation.” ―Are you going to run for the National Assembly Speaker in the second half of this year? “Would. That’s the honest heart. When I become the Speaker of the National Assembly, I want to make sure to set the agenda for constitutional amendment and electoral system reform so that a coalition government based on a multi-party system can be established. I also want to make education compulsory to strengthen the competency of lawmakers.” [email protected]



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